I was big into the ufo thing - figured these are the gods of old showing up as new things.
but after 2 decades of seeing how fleeting the proof is, and today with super cameras we still get shitty blurry dots... I stopped believing it was a real physical thing, but possibly mental. Even abduction stories could just be a screen for 3 letter agencies to abduct and experiment on people... but recently this gem explained it... connected the dots so to speak, the things that didnt make sense with the phenomenon
"Daimonic Reality by Patrick Harpur examines UFOs and a wide variety of “paranormal” phenomena from a rather unique angle. Although Harpur never fully defines the daimonic—“the daimonic that can be defined is not the true daimonic,” as Lao-Tse would say—it seems to exist both inside us and outside us. Like the Greek daemon and unlike the Christian demon, it takes both good/healing and bad/terrifying forms, depending on our commitment to rationalistic ego states.
In a sense, the daimonic is like the collective unconscious of Carl Jung, inside us as a part of our total self that the ego wishes to deny, outside us in all the other humans who ever existed and in the dreams, myths, and arts of all the world. But Harpur follows Irish poet (and Golden Dawn alumnus) W. B. Yeats as often as he follows Jung, and traces some of his ideas back to Giordano Bruno and the alchemical/hermetic mystics of the Renaissance. The daimonic is just a bit more personalized and individualized than Jung’s species unconscious.
Harpur’s major thesis is that unless we recognize the daimonic (make friends with it, Jung would say) it takes increasingly malignant and terrifying forms. For instance, the Greys of UFO abduction lore, he says, are deliberately mirroring our ego-centered and “scientistic” age—showing no emotions of the humans they experiment upon, just as the ideal science student feels no emotion and has no concern with the emotions of the animal being tortured in his laboratory.
Despite dealing with many subjects common to conspiracy theories, this book does not quite fit into that category. We are the conspirators, so to speak. We have repressed the most creative part of ourselves and now it is escaping in terrifying forms."
I think this is all about our government drumming up fear so they can siphon off more tax dollars to create more government surveillance via Drones, satellites, etc in order to take more of our freedoms. What say we call it the Patriot Act II?
No to Patriot Act 2!!! I think there's definitely an element of man-made psy-op, definitely an element of real cover up of SOMETHING, and definitely possible that it's other-worldly and/or other time
Oh absolutely! But in this day and age, your sarcasm might just be prophetic. I could TOTALLY see a Patriot Act 2. The government, like Hollywood, loves sequels that scored big the first time.
Maybe I could rig it so that I get everyone to trust me and then convince them all that government has been subverted by aliens so that they overthrow it...? ^_^
I've been reading sci-fi my entire life (on my bookshelf is The Best from Fantasy & Science Fiction, 3rd Series, 1953, which I filched from my father's night table as soon as I was old enough to read it) and the stories I most dislike are the time-travel ones. I think it's a cheap device, and I make exception only for Asimov's The Ugly Little Boy because at least it attempts to deal with the disruptive mechanics that cannot be ignored.
That "butterfly effect" thingy? Ignore at one's peril. Again, boys--stay home.
I'm a little lost on this comment. Tell who to stay home? Disruptive mechanics? I'm not downing your comment, I just don't know what you're saying. Can you please clarify? You've got a brilliant mind.
Thank you. Suspect the problem is I ran out of regular tea (!) so am drinking decaf as my first cup of the day. May be struggling with incoherence until I get to the store...
Anyway. I do not want anyone from the future to take a weekend break here. We got enough problems and I don't want their solutions. We've got to find our own.
In Asimov's The Ugly Little Boy, a Neanderthal child was brought to a modern lab for study with the plan to return him within a certain timeframe or Bad Things Might Happen. The nurse hired to mind him began to love him and tried to smuggle him out, which would have caused some sort of massive power collapse because of the extraordinary amount of energy required to have brought him here in the first place. So she managed to send herself back with him instead.
It's the only story of his, really, that I think has stood up to the test of time; I loved him so much when I was young and he grew more and more irritating as I got older (and started to write seriously myself). But I feel that story showed respect for natural laws and tried to plausibly demonstrate how one might contravene them with the time-travel thingy.
I realize that though natural laws are immutable there's only a nano-bit of them that we may currently understand, and perhaps we're currently too primitive to figure out how time travel might work. But I think it's an awful, awful idea outside of entertainment value...
Mathematically speaking, it's much much much more likely that we are in a future simulation run by humans than we are actually living in reality. I suppose now and then they might peek in on us and see how it's going.
Do you have any posts on this? I'd love to read your thoughts. I know we've - I've - "joked" about being in the Matrix for real, but we're literally using terms like "red pill, blue pill" etc. in real adult conversations. It's such a fascinating concept.
I actually haven't written anything on it, I like to talk to people face-to-face about it so there's more interaction. The best page you'll find is probably this one:
Basically it goes like this: If a species gets to the point where they can run near-perfect simulations (the sims don't know they're sims), they will run millions and millions of these simulations. (Think Ninja vs. Pirate) Thus, the math 'proves' we're far more likely to be living in a sim.
Obviously it goes deeper than this, but that's the main basis.
The real question becomes: Once you are convinced (enough) that you are a simulation, what do you do about it? That's where commanding the simulation comes into play.
And the best part is if we're wrong and we're NOT a simulation, then you just have an awesome real life instead of an awesome simulated life.
How dare you assume..!! and no...( 😂🤣) ...but these guys rolled 20 for cunning and 2s for Wisdom and Movement. The worst theives ever? . ( my son is trying to grow me back into the gaming world. It blew his mind that his mom played AD&D back in stone age...lol)
What I've always wanted to ask is... how can a "perfect simulation" created by hypothetical future humans, be meaningfully distinguished from a "reality" created by a hypothetical deity?
It also seems questionable to presume to know that it's "likely" that the builder of the simulation would run millions of simulations... if they were actually future humans then they totally would, but why should we think they are future humans, rather than future aliens with a totally, well, *alien* mindset?
Anyway... this is more of a curious questioning of how the idea works, rather than trying to argue over it. :)
There's no doubt that it COULD be aliens but future humans are more likely because they would be more interested in human history/data collecting.
In the perfect simulation, you can control which of the simulations you experience. That's the basis of simulation command.
Imagine this scenario: You wake up. You can either A) do 50 situps or B) drink a cup of coffee. The key to simulation command is understanding that BOTH THESE 'realities' will occur in the form of branching simulations. Therefore, your job as a 'sim' is to do what you can to follow the 'best' version of yourself.
And like I said yesterday, if you're wrong and we're in the real world, you'll just have an awesome life because you keep making good decisions.
Hmm, interesting. So the "creator" is more likely to be similar to humans, because a more human-like creator would be more likely to create humans... that seems at least superficially plausible.
I do really like your take on it as a mental exercise motivating you to be the best version of yourself that you can be.
Personally, my guess is that it's mostly a side-effect of the government becoming so untrustworthy that most everyone assumes when the government says "nope, no aliens here", they MUST be lying. I've seen many UFOs debunked over the years, whether it be misinterpreted thermal camera images, insects on the lens, what have you; I mostly tend to assume any new claim is also something weird but natural. Still, I am a believer in spiritual things, so I don't rule out that it could be something messing with us, sometimes. Or top-secret government research even, though I'd remember the rule that "the ability to hide a conspiracy is inversely proportional to the number of people involved". (Also known as, "two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead".)
Like they talk about in this interview, how difficult would it be for generations of government offices to keep this "conspiracy" from having the lid blown off. Regardless, this whole thing doesn't pass the smell test in any way and never has.
I'm very interested in this topic as well, UFOs and interdimensionality. I've been following Dr Steven Greer's work for a while. Very exciting potentials!
In this video he explains so clearly how the government controls UFO information, and the way they're releasing their information also is sometimes misinformation.
A man by the name of Dan Burisch was a “microbiologist who worked for naval intelligence and the Defense Intelligence Agency from 1991-1996 and at one point went to work at Area 51/Groom Lake and then S4.”
At S4, he was asked to take tissue samples from the captured alien with whom he became close friends over the next two years. During this time, J-Rod revealed to Burisch that “his race had actually inhabited Earth many thousands of years prior, before being forced to leave by several factors: a shift in the poles; extensive solar flares; extensive crumbling of Earth’s mantle.”
He told Burisch that his species had wandered the stars, but that now they had returned to retrieve what Burisch said J-Rod referred to as a “lost genetic factor” from the human race, and hopefully to establish a friendship “if possible.”
The Rockefeller hypothetical scenario from 2010 focuses on a H1N1 outbreak, an influenza strain originating from geese, and in this hypothetical future H1N1 infected 20% of the global population, killing 8 million people in seven months. The report is specific in praising the Chinese model of draconian lock down, while an incompetent West infects the world;
“The Chinese government’s quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery”
“The United States’s initial policy of “strongly discouraging” citizens from flying proved deadly in its leniency, accelerating the spread of the virus not just within the U.S. but across borders.”
The Rockefeller Foundation – 2010
The children of Adam wandering the stars seeking to heal their original sin by returning to a world they never knew but were told was their home.
There lies considerable mythic resonance in the story. Archetypes are triggered.
Greetings from the 👽 capital of the world, Roswell NM. 75th anniversary / festival of the UFO incident this summer! There are plenty of folks here who believe
Greetings Cindi! I've always wanted to visit. My father-in-law used to be in the military, pretty high up, and I know he was there doing government things. He never would tell me obviously, but I've always been drawn to the culture of conspiracy.
Anyway, have fun and enjoy that madness this summer!
Played out over quite a few years. Touched on actually existing X-Files stuff. Quite global in following. Some cultish characteristics surrounding the person of Dan Burisch a security guard in Las Vegas.
I was big into the ufo thing - figured these are the gods of old showing up as new things.
but after 2 decades of seeing how fleeting the proof is, and today with super cameras we still get shitty blurry dots... I stopped believing it was a real physical thing, but possibly mental. Even abduction stories could just be a screen for 3 letter agencies to abduct and experiment on people... but recently this gem explained it... connected the dots so to speak, the things that didnt make sense with the phenomenon
"Daimonic Reality by Patrick Harpur examines UFOs and a wide variety of “paranormal” phenomena from a rather unique angle. Although Harpur never fully defines the daimonic—“the daimonic that can be defined is not the true daimonic,” as Lao-Tse would say—it seems to exist both inside us and outside us. Like the Greek daemon and unlike the Christian demon, it takes both good/healing and bad/terrifying forms, depending on our commitment to rationalistic ego states.
In a sense, the daimonic is like the collective unconscious of Carl Jung, inside us as a part of our total self that the ego wishes to deny, outside us in all the other humans who ever existed and in the dreams, myths, and arts of all the world. But Harpur follows Irish poet (and Golden Dawn alumnus) W. B. Yeats as often as he follows Jung, and traces some of his ideas back to Giordano Bruno and the alchemical/hermetic mystics of the Renaissance. The daimonic is just a bit more personalized and individualized than Jung’s species unconscious.
Harpur’s major thesis is that unless we recognize the daimonic (make friends with it, Jung would say) it takes increasingly malignant and terrifying forms. For instance, the Greys of UFO abduction lore, he says, are deliberately mirroring our ego-centered and “scientistic” age—showing no emotions of the humans they experiment upon, just as the ideal science student feels no emotion and has no concern with the emotions of the animal being tortured in his laboratory.
Despite dealing with many subjects common to conspiracy theories, this book does not quite fit into that category. We are the conspirators, so to speak. We have repressed the most creative part of ourselves and now it is escaping in terrifying forms."
That's a lot of food for thought!
I think this is all about our government drumming up fear so they can siphon off more tax dollars to create more government surveillance via Drones, satellites, etc in order to take more of our freedoms. What say we call it the Patriot Act II?
No to Patriot Act 2!!! I think there's definitely an element of man-made psy-op, definitely an element of real cover up of SOMETHING, and definitely possible that it's other-worldly and/or other time
You realize I’m being sarcastic, right?
Oh absolutely! But in this day and age, your sarcasm might just be prophetic. I could TOTALLY see a Patriot Act 2. The government, like Hollywood, loves sequels that scored big the first time.
Call it the XCOM act, to get all the gamers on board...
Careful TB, the government might hire you to be on their marketing/advisory boards!
Maybe I could rig it so that I get everyone to trust me and then convince them all that government has been subverted by aliens so that they overthrow it...? ^_^
I'm down. I'll help
No please tell them to stay home.
I've been reading sci-fi my entire life (on my bookshelf is The Best from Fantasy & Science Fiction, 3rd Series, 1953, which I filched from my father's night table as soon as I was old enough to read it) and the stories I most dislike are the time-travel ones. I think it's a cheap device, and I make exception only for Asimov's The Ugly Little Boy because at least it attempts to deal with the disruptive mechanics that cannot be ignored.
That "butterfly effect" thingy? Ignore at one's peril. Again, boys--stay home.
I'm a little lost on this comment. Tell who to stay home? Disruptive mechanics? I'm not downing your comment, I just don't know what you're saying. Can you please clarify? You've got a brilliant mind.
Thank you. Suspect the problem is I ran out of regular tea (!) so am drinking decaf as my first cup of the day. May be struggling with incoherence until I get to the store...
Anyway. I do not want anyone from the future to take a weekend break here. We got enough problems and I don't want their solutions. We've got to find our own.
In Asimov's The Ugly Little Boy, a Neanderthal child was brought to a modern lab for study with the plan to return him within a certain timeframe or Bad Things Might Happen. The nurse hired to mind him began to love him and tried to smuggle him out, which would have caused some sort of massive power collapse because of the extraordinary amount of energy required to have brought him here in the first place. So she managed to send herself back with him instead.
It's the only story of his, really, that I think has stood up to the test of time; I loved him so much when I was young and he grew more and more irritating as I got older (and started to write seriously myself). But I feel that story showed respect for natural laws and tried to plausibly demonstrate how one might contravene them with the time-travel thingy.
I realize that though natural laws are immutable there's only a nano-bit of them that we may currently understand, and perhaps we're currently too primitive to figure out how time travel might work. But I think it's an awful, awful idea outside of entertainment value...
Got it. I personally don't WANT a timeline that's not one straight arrow forward. Screwing with a timeline is beyond terrifying.
Mathematically speaking, it's much much much more likely that we are in a future simulation run by humans than we are actually living in reality. I suppose now and then they might peek in on us and see how it's going.
Do you have any posts on this? I'd love to read your thoughts. I know we've - I've - "joked" about being in the Matrix for real, but we're literally using terms like "red pill, blue pill" etc. in real adult conversations. It's such a fascinating concept.
I actually haven't written anything on it, I like to talk to people face-to-face about it so there's more interaction. The best page you'll find is probably this one:
https://www.simulation-argument.com/
Basically it goes like this: If a species gets to the point where they can run near-perfect simulations (the sims don't know they're sims), they will run millions and millions of these simulations. (Think Ninja vs. Pirate) Thus, the math 'proves' we're far more likely to be living in a sim.
Obviously it goes deeper than this, but that's the main basis.
Thank you Commander!
The real question becomes: Once you are convinced (enough) that you are a simulation, what do you do about it? That's where commanding the simulation comes into play.
And the best part is if we're wrong and we're NOT a simulation, then you just have an awesome real life instead of an awesome simulated life.
I'm not sure a sim could provide an NPC like Biden or Psaki. Rothschild? Oh yeah...but stunning incompetence? I dunno...
Ever made a D&D character who has 5 in all stats? ;)
How dare you assume..!! and no...( 😂🤣) ...but these guys rolled 20 for cunning and 2s for Wisdom and Movement. The worst theives ever? . ( my son is trying to grow me back into the gaming world. It blew his mind that his mom played AD&D back in stone age...lol)
What I've always wanted to ask is... how can a "perfect simulation" created by hypothetical future humans, be meaningfully distinguished from a "reality" created by a hypothetical deity?
It also seems questionable to presume to know that it's "likely" that the builder of the simulation would run millions of simulations... if they were actually future humans then they totally would, but why should we think they are future humans, rather than future aliens with a totally, well, *alien* mindset?
Anyway... this is more of a curious questioning of how the idea works, rather than trying to argue over it. :)
There's no doubt that it COULD be aliens but future humans are more likely because they would be more interested in human history/data collecting.
In the perfect simulation, you can control which of the simulations you experience. That's the basis of simulation command.
Imagine this scenario: You wake up. You can either A) do 50 situps or B) drink a cup of coffee. The key to simulation command is understanding that BOTH THESE 'realities' will occur in the form of branching simulations. Therefore, your job as a 'sim' is to do what you can to follow the 'best' version of yourself.
And like I said yesterday, if you're wrong and we're in the real world, you'll just have an awesome life because you keep making good decisions.
Man, you've given this some serious thought!
It's a lot more than thought at this point, it's a lifestyle.
Spoiler alert: Everything is awesome and I feel like I'm cheating at life.
Hmm, interesting. So the "creator" is more likely to be similar to humans, because a more human-like creator would be more likely to create humans... that seems at least superficially plausible.
I do really like your take on it as a mental exercise motivating you to be the best version of yourself that you can be.
I love this conversation.
Personally, my guess is that it's mostly a side-effect of the government becoming so untrustworthy that most everyone assumes when the government says "nope, no aliens here", they MUST be lying. I've seen many UFOs debunked over the years, whether it be misinterpreted thermal camera images, insects on the lens, what have you; I mostly tend to assume any new claim is also something weird but natural. Still, I am a believer in spiritual things, so I don't rule out that it could be something messing with us, sometimes. Or top-secret government research even, though I'd remember the rule that "the ability to hide a conspiracy is inversely proportional to the number of people involved". (Also known as, "two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead".)
Like they talk about in this interview, how difficult would it be for generations of government offices to keep this "conspiracy" from having the lid blown off. Regardless, this whole thing doesn't pass the smell test in any way and never has.
I'm very interested in this topic as well, UFOs and interdimensionality. I've been following Dr Steven Greer's work for a while. Very exciting potentials!
In this video he explains so clearly how the government controls UFO information, and the way they're releasing their information also is sometimes misinformation.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cGRroNrNGso&t=61s
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dan_burisch/esp_dan_burisch_29.htm Dan Burisch was a long running ET/LARP online. J-Rod is alleged alien “ambassador,” one of two surviving Greys captured when their craft crashed in Kingman, Arizona, in the early fifties.
A man by the name of Dan Burisch was a “microbiologist who worked for naval intelligence and the Defense Intelligence Agency from 1991-1996 and at one point went to work at Area 51/Groom Lake and then S4.”
At S4, he was asked to take tissue samples from the captured alien with whom he became close friends over the next two years. During this time, J-Rod revealed to Burisch that “his race had actually inhabited Earth many thousands of years prior, before being forced to leave by several factors: a shift in the poles; extensive solar flares; extensive crumbling of Earth’s mantle.”
He told Burisch that his species had wandered the stars, but that now they had returned to retrieve what Burisch said J-Rod referred to as a “lost genetic factor” from the human race, and hopefully to establish a friendship “if possible.”
The Rockefeller hypothetical scenario from 2010 focuses on a H1N1 outbreak, an influenza strain originating from geese, and in this hypothetical future H1N1 infected 20% of the global population, killing 8 million people in seven months. The report is specific in praising the Chinese model of draconian lock down, while an incompetent West infects the world;
“The Chinese government’s quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery”
“The United States’s initial policy of “strongly discouraging” citizens from flying proved deadly in its leniency, accelerating the spread of the virus not just within the U.S. but across borders.”
The Rockefeller Foundation – 2010
The children of Adam wandering the stars seeking to heal their original sin by returning to a world they never knew but were told was their home.
There lies considerable mythic resonance in the story. Archetypes are triggered.
Wow, this is fascinating!
Greetings from the 👽 capital of the world, Roswell NM. 75th anniversary / festival of the UFO incident this summer! There are plenty of folks here who believe
Greetings Cindi! I've always wanted to visit. My father-in-law used to be in the military, pretty high up, and I know he was there doing government things. He never would tell me obviously, but I've always been drawn to the culture of conspiracy.
Anyway, have fun and enjoy that madness this summer!
I think Dr Greer has it close when he imputes the use of our already ufo back-engineered crafts used as a massive False Flag...
" Oh nooooooz! We'll have to band together to save the planet from Alien Invaders!"
Who's Dr. Greer? Can you provide some material please?
He's done a lot of work on Disclosure and Govt Black projects
OK, I'll Google...err Duck Duck Go, lol.
Dr Steven Greer. I enjoy him,though like most " things" I remain skeptical of about 25% of what he says...
Ever heard of the movie Disclosure?
I'll go find his YouTube and leave it.
https://youtube.com/c/DrStevenGreer55
Oh, thanks! I love these new threads to my thinking.
This rabbit hole runs deep...but it's both hopeful and disheartening.
I chose hopeful, but with open eyes.
https://youtu.be/u3yl7Go6dNw
Played out over quite a few years. Touched on actually existing X-Files stuff. Quite global in following. Some cultish characteristics surrounding the person of Dan Burisch a security guard in Las Vegas.