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SCA's avatar

I agree with the heart of your post but not with the box-sorting and I disagree with the idea of sociopaths being made and not born.

Elsewhere I've said that I think much of the shit we're in comes from the relentless celebration and elevation of "neurodivergence" as a wonderful, wonderful thing, and the use of them as fronts, so to speak, by the actually sociopathic and those who aren't necessarily miswired but merely evil and with the power to be so, successfully.

Rather than "sigma empaths," maybe it's plain essential animal instincts. Look how relentlessly they're trying to get the littlest kids now to ignore their own natural unease with the trespassing of boundaries. Everyone everywhere is being told to ignore anything and everything that just feels off and instead to just "trust the experts."

We got an oversupply of psych grads and they gotta make money and devising fancy ways of naming things is a great way to sell books.

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1) I fucking hate that commercial, and I hate that our state tax dollars paid for it (not to mention all the propaganda billboards that are still up).

2) At least when I learned about them, the "classical grandiose narcissist" and the "malignant narcissist" weren't understood as "this one is just a worse version of the other." The difference was the presence or absence of misanthropy. Grandiose narcissists weren't misanthropic; they were too self-centered. Malignant narcissists feel their superiority entitles them to immorality, like Rich Sanchez. Grandiose narcissists are capable of behaving at least as badly; in fact, they're more likely to behave explosively. "Covert narcissists" were compared to people like incels or school shooters; they behave explosively because they quietly foster more and more resentment at being treated unfairly, but the core pathology is the same (I deserve better, unequal treatment than I receive). Communal narcissism was the only truly new concept I saw there.

3) I don't think many of the things being described as communal narcissism are rooted in pathology. I think they're fairly typical social characteristics being hijacked and exploited, and I don't think it requires (but it certainly doesn't exclude) the presence of psychopaths. End-stage capitalism is about manipulating such a tiny remaining delta of motivation that ALL of it reads as psychopathic manipulation, because there's really no other ground left but the fundamental distortion of our emotional landscape and free will. People said this about marketing 50 years ago; they were hypersensitive to processes that have, in the intervening time and with the benefit of better data technology, achieved the "meat machines" that Harari loves calling us.

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